I didn’t make it in the screenshot 😔
I also got banned for that LMFAO
I didn’t even say anything about the ‘strawman’ I just said that “ban you for speaking too loudly” was bad
“We’re good and you’re bad”
Holy shit lmao you can’t write irony this good.
Just for the lols, someone try asking them if they’re pro-Russian
They 100% are, and tell you that they don’t actually support Russia but have a “temporary ally” against the capitalist super power… Blablabla…
In the end they support the genocide in Ukraine, hate that genocide in Palestine and generally cherry pick what they seem fascist (the US and Europe) and what not (China, while Russia is temporarily fascist, but that’s okay because of reasons).
Those guys were never politically active in the real world. It’s super sad, because deep inside they are on the right track. They just would change one (capital fascist) system by stalinism (which they call communism).
Oh it’s irony you wanted?
What the hell is going on with that community? :D
Hahaha this comm’s mods are on the sauce, this is insane.
“Alright you’re banned for a month for being an uncivil asshole, but when you get back I’ll make your uncivil ass a mod.”
I’m the other mod of that sub. Alphanerd was allowed to come back as a mod provisionally as he was the creator of the community and the most active. He chose to waste that opportunity and is no longer a mod.
Kudos. FYI they seem to have defaced your sidebar.
Lol. That’s actually hilarious.
I find that that’s usually the case for most people. The part of the school system that was responsible for teaching them critical thinking skills really failed them. It’s also why people try to dumb down politics into one of two sides, it’s why our government will always inevitably fail. This guy is using the authoritarian label because that’s as far as his understanding of politics go. The US is an oligarchy, the US is imperialist, the US is nepotistic, but it is not authoritarian, yet.
Having said that, there are groups certainly interested in claiming that so that the authoritarian label means less for other nations, the sort of nations they want to defend. Given the submissions in that “community”, I would say this is the case here. People who really are against authoritarians and who might believe the US to be wouldn’t go and whitewash other authoritarian states. This community is a manifestation of whataboutism propaganda IMO.
The US deserves criticism, but if you really want to make it, I would encourage avoiding places with an underlying agenda like this one. In case you disagree with me, you can test it out easily for yourself, just post there and compare the US to other countries you would consider de facto authoritarian states, and see which countries they have a problem with you bringing up for comparison.
The US is authoritarian in the form of inverted totalitarianism.
We don’t live under the dictatorship of the US government as would be traditional authoritarianism, we live under the dictatorship of capital which effectively owns the US government and controls the population by force.
You shouldn’t of gotten banned for that but at the same time mods have the right to protect their communities from people who argue in bad faith and given this is the internet it’s safe to assume bad faith. (Even if you weren’t)
Edit: it’s interesting that myself and a bunch of other queers have a very different opinion on what authoritarianism looks like compared to the average (straight male). I bet our life experience has nothing to do with it and we’re all just over sensitive whiners 🙄
Edit 2: I fucking hate liberals. Bunch a brainwashed la la land dwellers. China bad! USA good! 🦅🦅🦅🦅 (nobody mentioned China but glad it lives rent free in your head)
Just because someone coined the term in 2003 doesn’t mean there were better terms to address it, and frankly, adding an adjective onto a term that doesn’t really fit it doesn’t really change the fact that it is not authoritarian. In other words, I inverted agree with you.
I also got inverted banned by them. Meaning I was never banned from the community because I never participated in it, but I was in the totalitarian aspects that their ideology would have constrained with my liberty of expression. Or something. An inverted something. I just checked in case a sudden one had popped up over there, and the most recent ban I have are from several lemmy.ml communities because of how I offended their dear Kim Jong-un by reporting on one of his bans in a way that was not in accordance with the state sanctioned inverted liberty protocols.
🙄
Bad faith…
Ok so then this is in bad faith, and so is the above. Guess we all get bans in order to “protect” communities from checks notes differing opinions.
You don’t have the right to be in spaces that aren’t yours. You’re a guest. If they don’t like what you’ve got to say for whatever reason they have the right to ask you to leave. I’m not on world because they’re a bunch of liberals with barely two brain cells clicking together between the lot of them.
no, I’ve got a right to free speach and if I dare think your holy communist china is actually a very shitty and authoritarian nation, I should be able to say so politely
Uh I don’t give a fuck about China, although looking at their quality of life vs that of the US there’s something going very wrong in the US.
I’m an anarchist. Both countries are authoritarian to me.
> Both countries are authoritarian to me.
lmao, explain to me please how any state can be not authoritarian
I do give a fuck about china tho, since it’s even worse than the us imo and people on lemmy try to glorify it constantly
I’ve always been weary of that community. It had some tankie mod vibes.
That mod has been removed. Send me a link to the comment that got you banned and I will remove your ban.
PTB stinking hypocrisy from a distance.
Counterpoint. It’s not a strawman. The US is is an authoritarian state. If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you. also Why are you here?
Strawman wasn’t enough, was it? There’s an implicit false dichotomy here, between accepting the idiotic reasoning and the conclusion or rejecting both (thus the user not belonging to the sub).
EDIT: to be clear. I won’t talk if USA is/isn’t authoritarian, that is not my point. My point is that the mod in question is clearly being irrational, and hell breaks loose once you put irrational people on power. I also don’t think that he should be removing users for not agreeing with the premise of the sub.
They’re getting reamed out in the comments, which is great to see.
Seems like all comments here are “whatabout communism”
US being an authoritarian shithole is pretty undisputable reality. It could be preferable to debate the point than outright banning the possibly misinformed, but the assumption of military bot troll propagandist is not unreasonable.
To be fair, he didnt say he was against authoritariamism.
Is communism even possible without authoritarianism?
Edit: lol I pissed off the tankies
If everything is shared under communism, that would include political power. thus (imo) communism is a direct democracy.
Edit: forgot what thread I was in. What the hell does communism have to do with US authoritarianism?
Yeah, but humans are awful animals and true communism is a pipe dream.
fascist attempts to spread liberal fascist US state dept propaganda that has been debunked thousands of times over
cries about muh freeze peach when told to stop spreading misinformation
Yeah go back to .world, bud
…this screenshot is from lemmy.world.
Go easy on them, ml users aren’t known for their observation skills.
The place is filled with plenty of examples of US authoritarianism. Consider lurking before posting OP.
never said the us wasn’t authoritarian, I was just making fun of the ptb
YDI BPR
Clearly it’s not a place to try and defend America. The mod is probably a tankie dick, but you’re the one who went into their space.
Clearly it’s not a place to try and defend America. The mod is probably a tankie dick, but you’re the one who went into their space.
OP is not even defending (or accusing) USA in that thread. Their only comment there is
> The US is is an authoritarian state.
> If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you.
lmaoThey’re only highlighting the mod’s hypocrisy. Everything else is assumption.
And the deal applies to the user that the mod is screeching at:
That couldn’t be more of a strawman even if he was with a lion, a Kansas girl and a tin man on a yellow brick road
Even if you agree that USA is authoritarian (IDK if the user in question does), the argument in the OOP is bloody idiotic, it’s on the same level as “2+2=7 lol thus whales don’t fly lmao”. And it is a strawman because it mischaracterises why people say that China is authoritarian.
What hypocrisy? It’s not called AntiAuthority.
It’s idiotic in that it ignores Xi’s 50 years of being involved in the party, and the power he’s head since before he was Gen sec. I wouldn’t call it a strawman, although it’s a pretty selective interpretation.
What hypocrisy? It’s not called AntiAuthority.
The mod is denouncing authoritarianism from a government, while being themself authoritarian. It is hypocrisy.
And, even if it wasn’t hypocrisy (it is), what random@blahaj said there would be simply a false accusation against the mod. It does not imply that they’re defending USA.
It’s idiotic in that it ignores Xi’s 50 years of being involved in the party, and the power he’s head since before he was Gen sec. I wouldn’t call it a strawman, although it’s a pretty selective interpretation.
It is a strawman because it mischaracterises why people claim that China is authoritarian. It has zero to do with Xi being head of state for eight years; it has to do with the one party system, plus censorship.
(OOP could have capitalised on that to claim that USA is authoritarian, without being a strawman. They didn’t.)
Mate, they’re not a bloody fucking government themselves are they? Talk about 2+2=7 alright…
And it’s not a strawman, it’s not in response to anyone. It’s at blurst whataboutism.
they’re not a bloody fucking government themselves are they?
The morality of authoritarianism does not “magically” change depending on who does it; it’s still the same outcome, only in a different scale. If one is bad, the other is also bad. And someone doing what they denounce as bad is hypocrisy.
And you could bring up a thousand more arbitrary restrictions like you already did twice, like, “it isn’t hypocrisy because today is Friday lol”. It still won’t change shite dammit.
And, as I already showed, even if your insane troll logic was valid (it is not), it doesn’t defend the bullshit/assumption/lie that OP was defending USA.
You’re being a bloody muppet and odds are that you know it.
Talk about 2+2=7 alright…
What I said is not false, let alone evidently false.
And it’s not a strawman, it’s not in response to anyone.
Yeah, because that community and the post totally exist in a vacuum. They are totally not addressing what people often say, that China is authoritarian. Right??? /s
It’s at blurst [worst?] whataboutism.
Nope.
Whataboutism is a diversion tactic. It would be whataboutism if OOP used that argument to divert attention from China into USA; they are not doing it, the central theme of the community is USA.
In case someone complains about the wall of text: Brandolini’s Law.
It does change when it comes to voluntary spaces. Their instance is like a club, it can impose its own rules on itself it’s not hurting anyone. A state imposing rules affects everyone and it’s damn hard to move.
You cannot begin to compare state oppression to Lemmy moderation.
It does change when it comes to voluntary spaces.
You: “ackshyually the comm isn’t AntiAuthority”
Me: [shows that it doesn’t matter]
You: “ackshyually they aren’t a government”
Me: [shows that it doesn’t matter]
You: “ackshyually it changes when it’s a voluntary space”You’re changing the goalposts again.
You cannot begin to compare state oppression to Lemmy moderation.
You: “elephant shit is not mouse shit. Thus mouse shit is not shit”.
To be blunt I’m not wasting my time further with you.
Listen, you and I know you’re not that stupid, so stop pretending to be.
Apparently you are.
You think it’s fine to go into a community to harass it, yet complain when you get banned.
You act like it’s totally fine to go into these spaces and be a dick, because you believe its hypocritical that they treated an online community differently to a fucking nation state?
Stop pretending to be a fucking dickhead, you can clearly see what Op did was wrong but because you don’t like the community you think it was okay to be done.
How did they “harass it”. You still haven’t managed to explain that. The person the mod replied to never said the US is not authoritarian. They can disagree with the mod and still think the US is authoritarian. Stop being a dumbass and defending another dumbass.
What does YDI BPR mean?
You Deserve It and Bait Provoked Reaction.
They are explained in the community sidebar:
Some acronyms you might see.
- PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
- YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
- BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
- CLM - Clueless mod: The mod probably just doesn’t understand how their software works.
100% YDI, there’s no power tripping for moderator to kick someone out for useless flaming or trolling, it’s one of their duties.
Where is OP trolling?
