Arch is aimed at people who know their shit so they can build their own distro based on how they imagine their distro to be. It is not a good distro for beginners and non power users, no matter how often you try to make your own repository, and how many GUI installers you make for it. There’s a good reason why there is no GUI installer in arch (aside from being able to load it into ram). That being that to use Arch, you need to have a basic understanding of the terminal. It is in no way hard to boot arch and type in archinstall. However, if you don’t even know how to do that, your experience in whatever distro, no matter how arch based it is or not, will only last until you have a dependency error or some utter and total Arch bullshit® happens on your system and you have to run to the forums because you don’t understand how a wiki works.

You want a bleeding edge distro? Use goddamn Opensuse Tumbleweed for all I care, it is on par with arch, and it has none of the arch stuff.

You have this one package that is only available on arch repos? Use goddamn flatpak and stop crying about flatpak being bloated, you probably don’t even know what bloat means if you can’t set up arch. And no, it dosent run worse. Those 0,0001 seconds don’t matter.

You really want arch so you can be cool? Read the goddamn 50 page install guide and set it up, then we’ll talk about those arch forks.

(Also, most arch forks that don’t use arch repos break the aur, so you don’t even have the one thing you want from arch)

    • iriyan@lemmy.ml
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      8 hours ago

      I’d rather use windows 7 than ever go back to Debian … something with 7 being the last good version of anything ;)

    • AllOutOfBubbleGum@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 day ago

      I’ve got 25 years of Linux usage under my belt at this point, and I’ve settled on Debian for all PCs, servers, and anything else. Stability is so much more important to me than bleeding edge software, but for those things that absolutely need the latest and greatest, there’s Backports and Flatpak.

      I started off as a Redhat person (this is before RHEL and Fedora existed, so the distro was just “Redhat”), then after Redhat started their shenanigans, I spent a decade or so distro hopping. I even became an OpenBSD user for a couple of years. But now, I’m all Debian. Sane defaults, stable, no bloat, quick setup. I can get on with my day. I understand the Arch obsession, but I feel like I’m long past that level of interest in tinkering at this point.

    • TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 day ago

      It makes sense because if you are a veteran, you probably already have your workflow streamlined, so you don’t need new software in the repositories.

    • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      4·
      2 days ago

      Debian is the stable friend who might not have all the answers at the moment but can help you with whatever you need to do, and does it without ever asking for anything in return.

      Debian is love, Debian is life.

    • IngeniousRocks (They/She) @lemmy.dbzer0.com
      5·
      2 days ago

      I never liked debian or it’s derivatives, but since moving to Selfhosting most of my services and needing sane defaults on my server (I’m a noob with server stuff) I’ve circled back to LMDE after 20 years of using primarily bleeding edge and DIY distros.

      I like it, it’s nice that it’s set and forget and doesn’t need constant attention like my bleeding edge stuff always did.

      • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        LMDE is great. I run it on my Thinkpad T14 G1. Runs like a champ, and after installing tlp, it still manages to eke out almost 7 hours of battery life.