Let the apologists have a field day in the comments.

  • RejZoR@lemmy.ml
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    11 days ago

    It’s why I’m so furious about Linux in general and how every god damn intent to change almost any setting begins with “open Terminal…”. I don’t want to use the damn Terminal. It’s 2025 now, put the god damn basic ass settings into control panel so I can click it without first spending half an hour to find a long noodle of commands for Terminal that I don’t even understand, paste it in and hope for the best.

    Like, I had issues with Bluetooth module in my laptop and I wanted it disabled so my BT USB dongle is main. In Windows I’d just go to Device manager and disable that device. Done. On Linux I spent hours diging on how to disable BT module and weed out all the bullshit on how to disable the function itself because I need it, just not from the fauly module. Then I spent asking on Reddit where someone finally posted a working Terminal command that I had to save into config file using Terminal because file manager is to stupid to save it into system area by just asking me if I want it there or not. I now have a folder with config file and instructions on what stupid ass copy command for Terminal I need to use to copy the config file where it needs to be.

    Just so much unnecessary bullshit for something that could be done in literal 5 clicks at worst if the damn option was in GUI to disable single device on the system. Also fun fact, Linux has a “wireless devices” tool, command line one and it uses device ID to apply it and the fucking ID changes every time for the device so you can’t make a permanent setting. I kid you not. I’ve never seen anything more idiotic.

    • conartistpanda@lemmy.world
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      11 days ago

      How ungrateful! Do it yourself? It only takes learning how to program. Thats like… a 45 minutes search. 80 if you want to learn how to program an OS from scratch.

      • Nalivai@lemmy.world
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        11 days ago

        You don’t need to “learn how to program”, whatever the fuck you mean by that, to interface with texting terminal. We’re interfacing via text right now and you seem to do it just fine, you don’t seem to need a selection of colourful boxes to understand what I am saying

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          11 days ago

          You’re asking average people to learn a new language so they can install software (thats not on the stores) or to do some beyond basic configs. Why should they bother learning bash when they could just use windows and learn somethint else with that time?

          How many times did i find a post telling me to create a weirdly named txt just to change my touchpad settings? Its not trustworthy for noobs. How is a noob suposed to know if a command on a tutorial is safe or not if many linux distros let you destroy them via rm -fr? Are they supposed to search each and every command before they use them? Im sure lots of people rightfully reject using the terminal (and therefore linux) for this reason.

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            13 hours ago

            How a noob supposed to know anything? By learning. You pretend that learning how to click through 5 confusing sumbenues is easy as fuck, but learning how to read basic ass words is an esoteric knowledge that only wisards can learn.
            You pretend that nobody can comprehend that apt-get install steam will install steam, but searching through the website, downloading an installer, looking through your system for a file, executing it, and following through twelve steps of a wisard is suddenly magically a knowledge that everyone just grasps.
            You pretend that “find this file, find WhateverBullshit=1 and change 1 to 0” is incomprehensible and requires a whole new language to understand, but “click this menu, open this submenu, scroll untill you find this subsection of subsection, look for the menu that opens a window of menus and then look for a tickbox that they actually moved three versions ago” is so simple you don’t actually need to even think about.
            But as an experienced system administrator, I can tell you from an experience, if the person doesn’t want to learn, or can’t, they will not, and it’s not because they’re intimidated by the concept of letters, but because the whole idea of learning a skill is confusing or intimidating. When people aren’t in the mood they will look at the window telling them to press the only button on the screen, and they will call for help.
            And if they want to know their instrument, they will learn whatever they need, and since reading is one of the fundamental skills we have in the modern society, they will learn how to read configs and write commands without the problems you envision.

  • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    11 days ago

    I don’t care if settings are done by GUI or terminal, I just want clear and concise descriptions for specific settings and not a condescending “go read the man pages you fucking noob”. I’ve been fucking with Linux for over a decade now; a lack of clear documentation is not my problem, and at this point is unacceptable.

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        6 days ago

        At this point, TOML is my favorite since it basically amounts to an attempt at standardizing the .ini/.conf style of config “language”/files. It’s still simple enough, but pretty powerful, and was seemingly good for the Rust and Python projects to be convinced to choose it as a default…