Hey there!
Last year, I fell into the Fediverse-rabbithole and I really like it so far. We already have alternatives for Twitter/X, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit and so on.
But today I realized, there actually isn’t an alternative for tinder. But I think there could be a huge demand for it. This could also motivate people to change platforms, since no one wants to buy tinder premium for a lot of money.
But I think I’m maybe not the first one coming up with this idea. What do you think about this?
~ sp3ctre
I would have serious concerns regarding data privacy. You share intimate and very private details about yourself on these apps that could be used for blackmail. I wouldn’t feel comfortable sharing that on a federated network. For example, how would you ensure data isn’t logged by a hostile server operator. A company is at least forced to play lip service to privacy laws. The theoretical operator of
fedi-date.rucan do what they want.How about doing some fine-grained control mechanism: you share little data publicly, then once somebody likes you, you can decide to share more with them. With some cryptography tricks should be possible to share this information only with the other person and not with their home servers.
I don’t think control features help much when one of the most basic question that you can ask is “What is your gender and who would you like to date?”. As I have already outlined in another comment in this thread, this information has to be shared with the federated network and is already enough to get people into serious trouble should it get into the wrong hands.
Alternatively think about it this way. Would you hand over this kind of information to a total stranger? Would you take on the responsibility of handling data that could literally kill someone if you make a mistake?
How about another type of control: by default your profile is not federated. Then you manually select the instances you trust. And your data getcs shared only with those. Dating usually is kind of local anyway. If i live in australiay I’m likely not interested in matches from the UK. So instances could already serve as some pre-selection based on your region and possibly community type.
I don’t think you can offload these kind of decision to the user. Just think about how effective the various fishing and social engineering attacks are. No, a fediverse dating app would have to be secure by default. The only possibility I see for this is something that involves homomorphic encryption, an encryption method that allows you to operate on data without having to decrypt it first, but I know nothing about that topic so I could be completely wrong. This vague idea of a solution might be technically impossible after all.
There’s nothing you can do for profile data, public key encryption is an option for DMs.
But thats a problem with dating-networks in general because of the intimate character. I think if you want to do it, then it should be done in a safer way than tinder. And the security of your instance should be checked today already. The federation could be a safety advantage, because you can choose on your own, where you think it’s the safest.
No, data must be shared between instances for federation to make any sense and the operators of other instances don’t necessarily share your views about privacy and security. Lets take for example a matching algorithm like the one OkCupid used to use. You answer some questions and based upon those people are recommended to you. If you want to see people from other instances as well, the answers to the questions must be shared between all federated instances; but at the same time these answers contain private details about you. I don’t think a workable solution to this problem exists, even if you come up with an algorithm that allows you to make decisions on anonymized data. The danger of deanonymization due to a bug is too high.
But what about defederation from malicious/insecure instances? Couldn’t this solve these kind of problems?
Of course, there will still be a risk. But isn’t it a step in the better direction?
You already lost the data at that point and you really don’t want to play roulette with data that has the potential of killing your users. Just imagine what could happen if a gay man from Saudi Arabia joined your instance and that data leaks.