The title is err, not correct because the top 2 alternatives Opera and Arc are based on Chromium engine. I have seen tons of people swear by Arc, but I am seriously asking (since as a Linux user I can’t use it), how much good can a browser be in this day and age if ultimately it’s ad blocking breaks and it will since Manifest v2 will go soon(unless Arc folks have a solution for it)
The rest alternatives are Firefox, Zen (FF fork but honestly Atleast this was something new I learned from this article) and Tor (which is weird since it is not meant for normal web browsing and using it will not only be slow but put additional strain on the nodes, correct me if I am wrong).
Great opportunity to mention Brave is owned by a dipshit right-wing homophobe.
And funded by a right-wing billionaire who owns the largest corporate intelligence agency on the planet. Your data is not safe with Brave.
Except your data not being safe with Brave doesn’t depend on who owns it. It’s a technical conclusion that should follow from technical traits of a system. Those are such that using a modern web browser to do modern web things is not secure period.
You identify as a liberal politically, don’t you?
Always has been.
Right beside the fact that their monetary model relies on user activity tracking. Yet they advertise privacy.
A browser that had a seemingly unlimited budget for advertising before it even had users is suspicious as hell.
I’ve never trusted brave.
- Opera
Aaaand tab closed.
This list to me feels like AI trying to average the commoner internet
And the comments here really show it
Eww opera, at least it’s slightly better than opera gx
Edit: TOR? I stopped treating this guy seriously once I read this. Nobody uses TOR for regular browsing. They’re full of shit.
I tried Opera GX because it advertised the ability limit RAM consumption, and then I found out that the lowest it could go was 1GB which was not as low as I wanted.
Some bullshit. If you want to lower raw then just close out your tabs
Me using Firefox until Orion comes out:
Honestly I wish Kagi would build their own full Firefox fork and maintain it independently. I already pay for search, I wouldn’t mind paying for my browser if it actually respected me!
mullvad’s browser is based on firefox.
Hm…not sure, if I want to support another Webkit browser
We need more diversity in web engines
Orion will be restricted to Apple ecosystems, no?
It currently is, but they are shipping a Linux version this year.
Firefox
Firefox
Firefox
Firefox derivatives
…Ironically, I could not reach the end of the list because the fucking ads kept reloading the page and scrolling me to the top. Anyone know which of these 6 would block that?
Anything Firefox based with uBlock origin. Don’t see a single ad or anything on mine.
I saw a thing for their newsletter and some related articles. But that’s it. uBlock Origin FTW.
Additionally I have noscript extension so no JavaScript running as well
Of that list, Zen is the only one really worth considering. And then you have the “but the best one that supports widevine” issue.
Firefox is still great, and Tor Browser is fantastic.
I’m personally checking out Mullvad Browser.
Tor is good for onion sites, but do people use it for general web browsing? Wouldn’t it be super slow?
Yes, and you should too because more “natural” traffic helps protect people who need it (journalists, political dissidents, etc). For mostly text content, it’s fine.
Sure, if you want to wait 3 minutes for your all-text site to load.
It’s not that bad, it’s a handful of seconds.
Yes basically unusable in my experience.
Zen is also being developed by an asshole who doesn’t even understand the code he’s working on, by his own admission. I wonder if he’s fixed the backdoor he added to it yet.
This is just a list of browsers with apparently good tab management.
Firefox can do so too with TST or one of the other extensions in the store. Sometimes(atleast for me), they introduce slightly more lag when opening the browser but otherwise, they can do much of the job. I use Tree Style Tabs even though I might not be a power user of it (read:not actively using every nitty gritty of the extension).
I agree. I’m a pretty happy Firefox user. I am not a power-user of tabs anyway, I try to keep my open tabs to a minimum.
I didn’t see Waterfox mentioned in the article or comments, so I’m giving it a shout out now. Firefox is still my #1 browser, which I have synced to all my critical accounts, and use very cautiously, only using a few trustwothy extensions. However, when I want to explore unfamiliar domains or experiment with lesser-known browser extensions, I’ve relied on the equally dependable Waterfox browser. It’s fast, free, and 99% the same as Firefox except it’s a completely different app so you can basically have 2 Firefoxes set up and customized for completely different roles. Between the two, I can keep Chrome frozen on my phone and off my desktop (although I have a portable Chromium on USB for emergencies).
You do know Firefox has profiles you can use to effectively make it two (or more) separate browsers?
Not shitting on Waterfox, just FYI.
I do, and have used them in the past. However I’ve had issues with the profiles getting corrupted. Could be user error ;) Installing Waterfox was easier than trying to sort out my profiles.ini and so as you know, nothing is more permanent than a temporary fix :D
I have Waterfox setup as an alternative browser but it does not have much stuff to differentiate itself from mainstream FF, as you said.
Do any of these sync with the Firefox Android app? Or do they have their own?
Firefox sync works on all Firefox forks (I’m using LibreWolf on Linux and Fennec on Android for example)
Same here, best combo
Firedragon (a Floorp-Firefox mod) has its own sync server by default. But “Share/Send to” from Android Firefox to PC Firedragon works out of the box.
Oh wow, thanks! How do they sustain the hosting costs? Donations?
You’re welcome.
I don’t know about hosting costs. I do know that Firedragon is a side project of Garuda Linux, a volunteer-developed distro with a Donate page.
Don’t tempt me into distro-hopping again ;)
Did Fennec resurrect?
Was it dead? If it was: Yes. Last update 15d ago (on the F-Droid version).
It was. I was using it for a year or two until a couple of months ago when it seemed abandoned. Moved to IronFox in the meantime.
Good to hear it’s up and running. Thanks!
Edit: I remember what and how: When DivestOS went under, Fennec did too. Don’t know who’s this who continued.
Its actually pretty important that some normal traffic does flow through tor. If you dont mind the speed then its perfectly okay* to do all your web browsing through tor
*there are some caveats here but its not about the network really
Anyone have any thought on Orion? I know it lets you use chrome and Firefox extensions and safari/macos features. Is this the right direction or a triple hitter of danger?
No Linux or Android support, so I literally can’t tell you.
I use Firefox and Firefox forks.
That’s what I was assuming till I got curious. I found this an hour later I posted my first comment: https://lemm.ee/post/52205220 About a year ago they started working on a Linux version. I think I saw a GitHub repo on a quick search.
If they make a flatpak available, I’ll give it a shot.
Linux
GitHub
Org here. They have four repos:
- Notes - readme and a license, no code
- iOS app open - blank readme
- DarkMode - <30 line script
- Programmable buttons - random macOS-specific XML files, no actual code
I hope that changes, but for now their repo is essentially empty.
Chrome is not the same thing as Chromium.
ITT: people who like to argue about all manner of things except whether or not Chrome and Chromium are the same thing.
Chrome in a trench coat, if you will
Its as good as. when Google decides to remove manifest v2 support, it is removed from chromium, right?
It removes it from Chromium, but there’s nothing stopping them from manually adding it back before releasing it. Though it would be a lot of work.
Putting aside whether it’s “as good as”, it’s still not.
Ok. But what’s the problem with chrome right now? They’re killing ad block. But they’re not actually, chromium is.
So anytime someone says “I’m leaving chrome because they suck for killing ad block” they mean “I’m leaving chromium because they suck for killing ad block”.
Does that clarification help then?
There is no clarification required. Nothing you said indicates that Chrome = Chromium.
I switched from Firefox to Floorp and haven’t looked back. Less bloated, same features, haven’t found an extension that isn’t compatible yet.
Same with Fennec on Android.
This article is pretty poor overall. Why recommend Arc, a browser that requires a user account to even open a webpage, and which the author himself said will probably be disappearing in the near future as part of their own product strategy?
Lame clickbait aimed at nobody.
What do you use on Mobile?
Fennec. I’ve also used Mull before now. Both are pretty decent drop in replacements for Firefox
Thanks Fennec I use, I haven’t tried Mull yet. Sounds dumb but I’m constantly looking for Android FF forks so I can use them for other profiles. Really wish mobile FF would get proper profile support.
Have you tried Firedragon? Floorp-based but with some eye candy and privacy enhancements. (Linux only at the moment)
No but I like Floorp and I like eye candy, so I certainly will be!
Floorp is a nightmare from my experience, I’ve tried it about 2 years ago, it was pretty cool but insanely buggy, I’ve been trying it maybe once every 2 months ever since and it hasn’t gotten better IMO, if you customize almost anything in the ui, things will break eventually, and I always get frequent freezes and crashes.
At this point I just use Firefox with Betterfox user.JS and its been great, you get ff updates as fast as they come out since it’s not a frok, also has all bloat and telemetry disabled, whenever I try out another browser I just switch back to ff for one reason or another.
I wonder if floorp has improved, because people are talking it up lately. My experience a few months ago was like yours, it was very buggy.
Last I’ve tried it was about a week ago, it was as I described. FYI I am on a mac, so Linux/windows might be less buggy, not sure.
I was using the flatpak on Linux.
I’ve been using it on Linux for months and have had zero issues. FIrefox, on the other hand, constantly crashes. When it even opens in the first place.
I haven’t had many bugs but I’m primarily using it on a MacBook, so maybe it’s more stable than on Linux? Though that in itself would also be a bother as I have a Linux desktop that I want to install on, so I’ll be looking out for these issues when I do.
I’m using it on Linux and have had zero issues.
Well fingers crossed for me then as I don’t really want to spend the time to migrate again!
Exactly the same. Floorp Fennec ftw
Why did you go with Floorp vs the other FF forks? Just curious.
For me, librewolf focuses too much on privacy sacrificing features, I personally dont like zen’s design. There’s others like waterfox but didnt tried them
It sounded on base value like the least effort when switching from Firefox. It basically came down to Floorp and LW. I tried the former first and didn’t see a need to continue looking.
This is interesting as I’ve not even heard of Floorp and alternatives have been such a hot topic the last month between manifest v3 and firefoxes updated terms fiasco.
Can I ask, what for you had you opt for floorp vs the more commonly mentioned alternatives like Librewolf, Waterfox, etc.?
It sounded like the easiest migration from FF, and I tried it first out of the options I had lined up to consider (inc. LibreWolf). I expect LW is great too, but I’m time poor and until Floorp gives me a reason to switch, I’ll stick with it.
I at least switched to Floorp for more customization options and funny name, but back then Floorp also had vertical tabs and side-dock before any other Firefox fork (afaik).
Opera is and always was trash.
As someone who used Opera 2002-2013 (Presto era), I quibble with the “always”.
But I do not quibble with the “is”.
I loved opera back then.
Exactly. I loved Opera and bailed when they abandoned their engine.
Yeah, me too. Never used it since.
So I was glad when Opera co-founder von Tetzchner announced Vivaldi, and I did use it for a couple of years. But I don’t want to become dependent on something not completely FLOSS, so lately using mainly Firefox mods like Floorp, Zen and Firedragon.
My history w/ browsers:
- IE - everyone started here
- Firefox - switched once I heard about it
- Chrome - when it came out, it was fast, which was cool
- Opera - switched as soon as I heard about it; was about as fast as Chrome
- Firefox - switched when Opera became a Chromium browser
Since I came from old IE days and started my career having to backport stuff to IE, I care a lot about engine competition, because IE owning everything made everything worse. So that’s still my #1 concern today, hence why I use Firefox.
I do dabble with Firefox forks though. I use Fennec on my phone, am trying out Mullvad on my laptop, etc. But I’m going to stay within the Gecko-family of browsers until a viable alternative to Blink (Chrome’s engine) emerges (e.g. Servo or LadyBird).
Yep. Dont use Opera. They are known for being an incredibly scummy company that has done illegal things. Im 98% sure opera gx is spyware
It was an excellent standalone install porn browser for a couple of decades. God seed Opera… God speed.
I beg to differ, when Opera had its own engine and wasn’t Chinese owned - back in the early '00s.
Opera was so good. Disable images, force custom CSS, gestures! Stuff no one else had at the time.
And the ability to switch browser engines on the fly. That was a great feature.
And it has some options to interpret data following strict W3C standards. Which was incredibly helpful when learning, as it encouraged me (and a lot of others) to don’t go down the IE/Netscape and later Chrome “specialities” road. (Yes,I am that old…I still remember MS fucking FrontPage)
I remember that! Standards mode vs compatibility mode. That was a great feature, too. Opera was unique.
User agent spoofing, tabs back when nobody had them, sidebar…
gestures!
Still the reason that 20+ years later the second thing I install on any browser is a gestures extension (the first one is always uBlock Origin, obviously).
Yeah I was 100% Opera on desktop and mobile until they switched to chromium and broke everything from before. Still pissed about that, lost all my bookmarks and notes at one point.
Opera also was a good alternative on Symbian phones right or whatever OS Nokia used before they switched to Windows Phone, I think.
Opera mini was also great when I had very little MBs of internet traffic in my plan. Nowadays I have pretty much infinite traffic, so I haven’t used it in ages
I think I remember Opera Mini’s layout though I didn’t much use it. It was a great alternative especially on mobile more than a decade back.
But yes especially after changing ownership, switching browser engines and years down the line; things have changed.
I think I gave their desktop variant a try sometime ago but didn’t find it compelling enough. I haven’t even used their Android fork. I keep using a Firefox fork only :p.
this era of the internet was such a fun time.
I suspect that we may be looking back with rose tinted glasses, but the main stream internet is pretty crap atm
Opera Corp. is Norvegian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_(company)
The browser was sold to Chinese investors though.
Same for ZDNet.
Many sites have become worse. I think stuff like Cnet, PCMag (which still has a digital magazine I think)were much better in the previous era.
