Sure there will be more political positions than just three. I just think that some people (not all) on the far-left seem to have authoritarian and/or intolerant views, which some people on the far-right also have.

You’re so close.

So no countries should exist? Sometimes I wonder how a single world government would work. But maybe it’s not worth thinking about too much since it’s not a realistic prospect currently.

would you have said the same of people saying Nazi Germany shouldn’t exist during WW2?

Perhaps it’s reasonable to say that a peaceful and non-genocidal Germany can exist (today’s Germany I think fits into that description). So maybe the same applies to Israel.

When the ICC issued arrest warrants for the leaders of Israel and Hamas, I thought that made sense, because both sides killed civilians. Both sets of leaders should probably face trials. Maybe in the future Israel and Palestine can both be led by peaceful governments.

I had a conversation with someone, I think they were from Hexbear, and I was trying to be polite while they were just being insulting for no reason.

Maybe I should just conclude that the particular person I was talking to was rude, and hopefully other people from leftist instances are not as rude.

Decent points to be honest. Maybe the US could have helped Ukraine negotiate something where they very reluctantly give up some land to Russia in return for proper security (with western backing) for the rest of Ukraine. Obviously not an ideal situation, but yes it could have prevented a lot of deaths. And maybe western countries would have realised that more investment in defence would be needed to properly protect the rest of Ukraine, and the rest of Europe, and other countries.

How on earth can you accuse me of not being a leftist and being similar to the far-right for saying that we should spend more money on schools and hospitals and less money on bombs?

It’s just where you said “do you not believe the reasons they tell you?”. I thought you were meaning that there are genuine reasons to support or like Putin’s regime, and that I just wasn’t believing those reasons.

Being anti-war is definitely a good position. Perhaps I shouldn’t have generalised across all of Lemmy.ml and Hexbear to assume that everyone on those instances believes the same things. My perspective has just been based on intolerance I have seen from those instances in the past, e.g. Lemmy.ml mods labelling posts as US propaganda because those posts mentioned that Russia was the aggressor in the Ukraine war.

I think I have in the past. Then I had people from Hexbear just being total cunts in their replies. They were very intolerant of different views, rather than engaging with those views in good faith.

Maybe I shouldn’t generalise across Lemmy.ml and Hexbear though - maybe some people on those instances are decent.

I wouldn’t necessarily call myself a liberal, I guess I’m just somewhere in the middle, I dunno. And I definitely don’t support wars. That’s why I think Russia should never have invaded Ukraine.

Fair enough. I’m definitely not saying everyone on the left is the same as the far-right, I don’t believe that at all.

It just seems to me there’s a segment of people who consider themselves on the far-left (posters from Lemmy.ml and Hexbear sometimes) who hold positions which can be quite similar to the far-right. Another position that both segments sometimes hold is that Israel shouldn’t exist. I definitely disagree a lot with the current Israeli government but if someone says Israel shouldn’t exist then you may as well say that no country should exist.

You’re putting things in quotes that I didn’t say, which is REAL Dunning-Kruger shit.

Have you tried asking? Or do you not believe the reasons they tell you?

So you are you in favour of Putin’s regime? In which case I don’t see how you can think of yourself as a leftist. If you actually do support Putin’s regime then you have a lot in common with the far-right who also do.

If Putin’s regime was in the US then many people would call such a regime fascism.

I’m not saying I support western intervention in Ukraine necessarily. I wish there was no war at all over there. I’m just saying that between Ukraine and Russia, Russia has been the aggressor. Also I’ve definitely seen some Lemmy leftists (but definitely not all leftists out there) who are in favour of Putin’s regime, for unknown reasons.

It’s really no mystery why a bunch of disparate political groups oppose a conflict halfway around the world

You’re basically proving my point by admitting that you do have a very similar view to the far-right.

Lemmy.world seem to be more middle-of-the-road on many things while Lemmy.ml and Hexbear seem pretty intolerant to me

I think it was on Lemmy.ml that I saw someone have their posts deleted allegedly for spreading US propaganda or some reason like that, when all they had said was that the war in Ukraine was started by Russia invading Ukraine in 2014 (I’m pretty sure this is factually true and Ukraine didn’t invade any of Russia until 2024)

Maybe reality is just too depressing so people invent narratives that they prefer.

I’m not dismissing all of leftism, I’m just referring to so-called “tankies”: e.g. people from Hexbear who themselves absolutely do not engage with political ideas “in good faith”.

I just think it’s interesting that the people who get referred to as “tankies” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of Putin, a regime which is arguably fascist. I guess that’s one reason why I think the far-left and far-right are pretty similar.

In my view, horseshoe theory is pretty accurate

For example, people in the middle recognise that Ukraine was the victim of an invasion, but people on the far-right and far-left both insist that Russia is the real victim for some reason

Maybe it’s because both the far-right and far-left envy the state power that Putin has?