Would you forgive or talk around these atrocities ? https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md.
If you do then you’re an hypocrite ; if you don’t then you’re probably an anti-imperialist like us.
This useful list was made by the same @dessalines that made Lemmy.

Here’s just one example of what you’ve accepted : We’ve supported dictatorships in Hong-Kong(, they couldn’t vote until 1985), and Taiwan.
For South Korea as well(, Rhee Syngnam from 1948 to 1960 ; Park Chung-hee from 1961 to 1979 ; and Chun Doo-hwan from 1980 to 1988).
We also supported the dictatorship in Myanmar, and Suharto in Indonesia from 1967 to 1998, the Philippines from 1965 to 1986, etc.
We also supported the authoritarian South Vietnam(, 1955-1963).
And we’ll remember the Khmer rouge, but not the authoritarian and western-backed Lon Nol.
We(sterners) also supported the military regimes in Thailand, anything but communism. Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore was also considered authoritarian.

That’s only in Asia, which we abundantly bombed as you know because it was our duty to stop the freedom of choosing communism. The dozens of dictatorships that we supported or (helped )installed in South America and Africa are a bit more known, but not that much.
We’re against communism more than tyrans, and aren’t invading because we have the moral duty to free these populations against their will, it’s just propaganda. Hitler probably had other arguments that judeo-bolchevism to fabricate the consentements of the germans to war, we(sterners) are using liberty, and it doesn’t really seem like we have a second argument so we’re going all-in on this one.

Lemmygrad users are denying atrocity propaganda, and don’t want to close their eyes on our support to every anti-communist dictatorship.
They’re dreamers of a better world, not afraid to think by themselves, and see like i do that we’re surrounded with conformists believing every single thing they’ve been told, who would have thus developed the opposite point of view if they were born in the other country.

Look, i don’t like dictatorships either, and consider reddit worrying, but atrocity propaganda is a classic, we have many arguments to debunk our lies, almost all of them ignored by the rest of the population while we know your arguments. Our debunking is also the point of view of these governments and their population, who also know our arguments while we ignore theirs, not that our attacks are hard to understand anyway, the debunking necessarily take a bit more reading/understanding.

We’re dreaming of a better world, and arguing why it’d be desirable.
I can demonstrate why their political polls are genuine and their happiness outstanding, and why their propaganda isn’t as bad as you think it is, use Rednote, Douyin, or other apps if you want to see what chinese people are like.

Am i right to understand that you have a problem with authoritarianism, and not communism per se, may i then ask by curiosity about your opinion on libertarian communism, or anarcho-communism ?

The salaries of socialist leaders is much lower than in capitalist-owned countries, e.g. aligned with the median salary, more than enough to revert your argument, they’re not here for the money but to serve. Corruption(, from the wealthy,) is also taken much more seriously than in our societies who even legalized lobbying anyway.

And do you see the problem in accusing me of hypocrisy and whataboutism at the same time ?

All the while, seemingly completely unaware of the profound comedic irony and dissonance of their professed political stance, their moral posturing, and the depravity of their willingness to side with the most blood-soaked, murderous regimes and psychopaths in history.

You’re describing yourself supporting the west, who’s been mostly the only responsible of wars, genocides, support to dictators, …, since the colonization. The extent of our interventions isn’t taught in schools or medias, and didn’t stop in 1991.

If you believe in the atrocity propaganda demonizing our declared enemies, and the duty to bring them freedom, i’ll continue to prefer living with them peacefully, in a world that would protect them&us

Not much to add

If we end this discussion with an author’s recommendation each, i’ve found Michael Parenti pleasantly surprising.

And, besides more censorship on t.v. firing the last persons kinda leftists, shamelessly instrumentalizing an antisemitism that deeply traumatized jewish families, there’s more censorship on the/our Internet, or chatbots will also have to align with what our government deems to be wrongthoughts. That’s only for today.

Accusations that could be thrown at the center(, if you keep in mind that we’re downplaying our authoritarianism/manipulation/control for ourselves and allied countries, but are over-estimating or even inventing it for countries we dislike).
For now there’s not a lot of internal dissent but it’s already too much for them, so their reaction would probably increase with it.
And i.d.k. if you’re an american, but you only have two political parties and it already seems too much, i’d never have guessed that D.Trump could have won with such worldwide unified campaign against him, there’s a troubling lack of diversity on the net and in medias that isn’t reflected in the polls/votes. And this criticism of populism as if it was a bad thing, …

Direct democracy then.

What they said is that the proletariat is in charge forever, not capitalists/bourgeois/‘the wealthiest’ anymore.

You can trust our capitalist-owned medias on whether they succeeded or not.
To only give one example that’s not known, you’ve never heard of their imperative mandates, only about their fake elections that seemed worthless(, see #25 here)
Not only can our capitalists buy medias, but they can also directly give money to candidates they like, and we’ll sanction/invade the countries that don’t vote for the right person, our system isn’t a model, if only because it needs so many lies to be sustained.
Capitalist-owned countries from the global South think that they should imitate our model to be wealthy, when it’s that model that perpetuates neo-colonialism.

The problem is that the u.s.s.r., the People’s Republic of China, and other socialist states, were too attacked by foreign actors to establish a direct democracy, so it was only direct in some cooperatives, and Lenin stated that reactionaries were powerful enough to justify having a strong state.
It’s not in the communist “d.n.a.” though, on the contrary since ‘the final state of socialism’/communism is a stateless society.
The gulags only existed in a period of crisis when they endured wars after wars until WW2, but we abundantly talked about it when they were already closed. If repression and control of the population was as pronounced as we say they wouldn’t have been dislocated, just ask a chinese person about their social credit score or other lies if you ever meet one.
Et cetera…

And islamists/muslims/theocrats are the best, no distinction between the spiritual and temporal, i won’t trust a faithless civilization or faithless people, even if most of them are great people.

Also, i honestly don’t really mind if we(sterners) end up with “anarcho”-capitalism, feudalism, or whatever, diversity is good, as long as (people live there willingly and )we don’t prevent other countries from choosing another path, which can be done, we could at least try to conceive a system which would made wars(, and covert actions, sanctions, …,) completely impossible.

Thanks for the reply though, ++

As long as you don’t censor us, which a decentralized Lemmy can’t do in comparison to Reddit.
The government is way more worrying though.

Hard to imagine that it was only a few years ago(, before E.Musk bought Twitter,) that we were denying the influence of governments on social media censorship, and said that “private companies aren’t censoring, because they’re not the government, if you don’t like this platform just change/leave”. It has changed and now we’ve quickly accepted that states should enforce (more )laws all over the/our internet. And many don’t see that our fact-checking is unilaterally biased, etc.

Someone from programming.dev may have heard of the declaration of the independence of cyberspace , among others.

Like hate speech(, e.g. against Israel/Ukraine/…, or in favor of Palestine/Russia/Iran/…, debunking/denying the uyghur/bosnian/… “genocide”, etc.)