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For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz
You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)
There’s much more around as well!
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These posts are so fucking cringe lol. Its always the same guy posting them.
For awhile I thought that there were stacks of people on lemmy.world constantly complaining about tankies. But now I’m starting to realise that most of the posts are from this one dude, cm0002. Frankly, it’s a little bit weird.
Definitely a hobby of his
Or a job…
I feel like professionals would be better at it.
Weird post.
Also, it defaults to “Active” view, which is the least updated. You can set your posts to “Hot” and then switch between “Top 6 Hours” and “Top 12 Hours” to get the most of your experience here. It will seem dead with the default.
I usually sort by new comments. Sometimes you’ll see 1 year old post still active in the comments. It’s neat
Game changer
Imagine dedicating this much of your free time attacking people for caring too much.
FYI for anyone who comes across, this here is an example of a “.ml Tankie Alt” who may also just be a “UniversalMonk” alt account.
This “caring too much” they speak of is an inability to accept any valid and factual criticism of the CCP or Russia.
They also defiantly refuse to believe the Xi/Winnie the Pooh meme started in China, despite well documented evidence.
The tankies often call for “unification of the left” but it is deception, they are not left because they will support authoritarian ideals in lockstep.
ETA:
FYI for anyone that comes across, this here is an example of a conservative capitalist supporter who spends hours a day posting about imaginary tankies that fucked his wife or whatever weird shit pops into their head.
Individuals like this use the word tankie in the same way liberals use the word Nazi or conservatives use the word commie or how maga use the word dei or how toddlers use the word icky. It means whatever they want it to mean at the time, in most cases just being anything unpleasant to their delicate sensibilities.
Anyone using the term tankie on a left wing site is deeply unserious and solely exists to sow division and troll.
You literally called Ukrainians Nazis a couple hours ago.
The Ukrainians call themselves Nazis. They also name their streets after famous Nazis.
When someone covers themselves in Nazi symbols, and calls themself a Nazi, why won’t you believe them?
Half my family is Ukrainians. From Odessa, which is famous for being full of Jews. I lived in Ukraine for 5 years right before the invasion. Literally not a single Nazi in sight or any rhetoric. Wtf are you on about? If somebody convinced you of whatever you said, you’ve been duped.
So you’re claiming all of this is fabricated?
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/08/wdtz-m08.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-leader-slams-kyiv-for-naming-streets-after-nazi-collaborators/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html
No, I’m not saying these are fabricated, but I’m saying that you’re cherrypicking examples to support your (Russia’s) narrative. Every time Nazis in Ukraine are discussed, Azov battalion comes up. Guess what, 1 battalion doesn’t make the entire nation Nazis. There are Nazis in all countries. There are even Nazi battalions in Russia, but Russians aren’t Nazis?
The street renaming incident is just a result of incompetent research. They were just pulling any historical names to replace all the numerous Soviet era Russian names. The street I lived on in Kyiv got renamed to one after a Polish Jew. So why would Nazis name streets after Jews?
The people with swastikas on their chest are Nazis if anyone is. Joe billy Bob the chicken farmer that has a mutual aid network but voted for Trump because Dems have never paid attention to him is not a Nazi.
It’s disingenuous to pretend there’s not a difference.
It is also disingenuous to label Ukrainians as Nazis, just because a couple of them are. Just like there are in every other country, be it Russia or USA.
Except in Ukraine the Nazis hold power, because the US installed a far-right puppet regime that refuses to hold elections. Now they’re spending millions erecting monuments of famous Nazis.
I’m not saying Zelenskyy is an angel, but the constitution literally forbids elections during war. Pick a better reason to criticize the government, there are plenty real ones.
Unless shit has gotten better in the half year since I left, you guys still have extreme moderation issues, which means even with an extensive instance and user blocklist, you’re still going to be constantly dealing with extreme takes
Most moderation issues stemmed from .ml, their influence has been in the decline and moderation issues are considerably better now
Unless the moderation “issues” you speak of are what the Right-wing conservatives of Lemmy complain about as “censorship” then no. And rightly so
I mean shit like moderators deleting comments because someone isnt capitalizing someone’s pronouns (while otherwise respecting which pronouns the user they are referring to listed) and that thing 5 months back when the vegan instance was banning people for saying that feeding your carnivore pets a vegan diet was animal cruelty. While admittedly the pronoun one was in a more extreme leaning instance, the problem is its impossible to completely filter that shit out when you visit this site, I dont want to see shit from R/The_Donald on reddit but despite an EXTENSIVE blocklist on this site, I cant escape constantly seeing the lefts equivalent here.
Edit: Also I get the vegan thing is an old example, its a timestamp of when I last gave lemmy a try and then gave up
Edit 2: Also I strayed from my moderation point. My point was NOT that there was too much moderation here, my point was there wasnt ENOUGH. Most instances have like ONE active moderator
Wait, what’s wrong with Hexbear? I’m new to Lemmy and read the code of conduct and TOS of Hexbear and it just seems like they’re leftist? I was thinking about registering there 😅
They are not actually left, they are authoritarian communists and will defend Chinas CCP and Putin as well as spread the propaganda/misinfo out of there. And if you dare post anything critical of them, no matter how many good sources you give or how factual it is they’ll write it off as “CIA propaganda”, remove it and ban you under their catch-all “Rule 1: Bigotry”
If you want to see more check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Lemmy can be a bit of a culture shock when you come from Reddit. If someone calls you a libtard on Reddit, it’s because they think you’re a leftist. If someone calls you one on Lemmy, it’s because they think you’re too far to the right of them.
If someone calls you a libtard it’s because they’re an ableist POS, and probably a larping conservative.
The proper term for “centrists” from leftists is “shitlib.”
And you wonder why your type are considered insufferable.
Can someone explain like I’m 5 how being against Nazis and capitalism is authoritarian bootlicking? Seems like the exact opposite.
Authoritarianism isn’t exclusive to capitalism. You can have a communist country that is Authoritarian, like China or Russia. But they will fervently deny that China and Russia are Authoritarian, the various human rights abuses and lack of freedom at their feet in order to promote Authoritarian style Communism
They are against Nazis, but they apply that label to just about everyone who is against their views and/or what China/Russia pushes. They will say that Ukraine is completely run by Nazis for example, a propaganda line right out of Moscow.
Ukrainian leadership declared themselves Nazis. They’ve recently spent millions erecting monuments of famous Nazis, and are naming streets after them. Their soldiers are literally covered in Nazi symbols.
When someone tells you themselves that they’re a Nazi, why do you think your beliefs overrule their own self-image?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/08/wdtz-m08.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-leader-slams-kyiv-for-naming-streets-after-nazi-collaborators
WSWS is a biased “trotskyist” rag and this is an opinion piece whingeing about Ukraine throwing off the shackles of soviet oppression written by the leader of a former Ukrainian political party that was banned for having ties to Russia. Opinion disregarded
The TOI link you posted lists its source as a tweet which no longer exists.
Neither link claims “Ukrainian leadership declared themselves Nazis”
You want more? Oh man, have I got more! I’ll try to stick to whitewashed sources you’d like.
https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-738940
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna198961
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1290946
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7
I’m not claiming that there has never been Nazis in Ukraine. The Holodomor was pretty fresh in the minds of Ukrainians when Germany invaded and whether you believe it was an intentional ploy by Stalin to quell succession movements the USSR states or not it was definitely seen as one by many in the population. Collaborating with any invading force under the context of millions of your countrymen appearing to have been murdered by the state is frankly unsurprising.
The people having streets named after them in Ukraine may have been Nazis but is that the reason they are being “honored”? Most articles across the political spectrum tend to gloss over the actual reasons. one of the ones you posted even says “The Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine [and presumably others] avoids mentioning Kubiyovych’s Nazi past, instead focusing on his work before and after World War II” so the answer to that seems to be an emphatic no. Would i personally rename a street after him knowing what i know about him? definitely not. but it’s not about Nazism, it’s about forging a national identity separate from that of their historic oppressors.
Russia does not care about denazifying ukraine, if Putin cared about Nazis he wouldn’t have allowed this guy to become second in command of his chief black ops battalion.
Ukraine has had problems with nationalism, but that does not a “Nazi” state make and the trend including with Azov has been away from problematic fascistic ideology.
Russia on the other hand has been increasingly embracing fascistic traits. Wikipedia defines fascism as “a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.” Most of which are traits that Russia has comfortably ticked for well over a decade, Ukraine on the other hand has not.
And still none of the links you posted make mention of “Ukrainian leadership declar[ing] themselves Nazis” as was your original claim
You mistakenly believe my opposition to Nazis is support for Russia. It is not.
This is not team sports. This is real life.
“I don’t support Russia but do exclusively parrot their talking points and refuse to accept that Ukraine could be a victim”
This is not team sports. This is real life.
Correct, and real life is not Black and White, it is shades of Grey. Ukraine has existed in the grey of history for as long as it was subjugated by Russia
Yeaaa ookkk tankie, I’m sure those websites aren’t biased and spreading propaganda/misinformation at all LMAO
you’ve been tagged
So you’re denying Ukraine is doing this? Or am I a tankie for pointing it out? All it takes to be a tankie is pointing out someone is calling themself a Nazi?
You’ve taken this so far, you’re entering into Nazi sympathizer/collaborator territory.
The US Congress had to lift a ban on arming Nazis in order to send arms to Ukraine. Now tell me how it’s somehow my fault for pointing that out.
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7
If taken at face value it sounds pretty much the same as the Hamas being a freedom-fighting group
Please expand on that nonsense. How does that make sense in your brain?
Well you say that a Nazi-group stays a Nazi group even when they are fighting against an invader.
Does that work the same way for the Hamas? Once a terrorist group always one? Or are they a liberation army?
Do you guys read the sources you post or just the headlines?
Moscow has repeatedly portrayed the Azov as a Nazi group and accused it of atrocities, but has publicly given little evidence of the allegations.
Yes, I am aware AP has been whitewashing for fascists for a while. But Congress is not bound by what Moscow believes. Congress had to lift the ban on arming Nazis to send Ukraine weapons, because it’s also what the US believes.
You know who also believes Ukraine is currently governed by a Nazi regime? The soldiers covering their uniforms in Nazis patches, the politicians naming streets after Nazis, and the Ukrainians openly declaring ‘I am a Nazi.’
Lil Ruski is mad they’re losing. ://
Running low on orcs, perhaps?
Do you know who never called themselves nazis btw? The actual nazis. But hey, you show me that literal open declaration of “I am a Nazi” that you seem to be claiming exists.
But you won’t. Because it doesn’t. And you’re a sad angry loser who’s angry he has to defend Putler’s actions and live in a shithole.
What you will do is ignore all the points, lick some boots, then post some other inane list of non-related articles that tangentially approach the subject, pretend like they say what you claim when they literally say the opposite, then fuck right off. It’s like all the smart trolls in Russia were recruited to the war and are now fertilising Ukrainian soil. Well, guess that’s a natural selection of sorts as well. Devolution, if you will.
Man you’re getting worse than the hexbear edgelords who just shit on the liberals all day, except at least they’re yelling at people in power and not some extremely marginal leftists who would be shot before they could ever take a seat in politics.
A good rule of politics is if someone or an ideology that you don’t like and they have no power or connection to power just ignore them, especially if there on your side for 90% of actual relevant issues. Not theoretical issues that may pop up after the revolution that may never come.
A good rule of politics is if someone or an ideology that you don’t like and they have no power or connection to power just ignore them, especially if there on your side for 90% of actual relevant issues. Not theoretical issues that may pop up after the revolution that may never come.
Sounds good, except I believe them to be actively harmful to the reputation of the Lemmy-verse, so it’s important to make a clear stand, if total defederation isn’t happening.
I’d rather not Lemmy end up as another Voat. I’ve already seen tons of stories from the original rexit of “I tried Lemmy, but .ml/hex/grad seemed cringy/hostile so I left”
the reputation of the Lemmy-verse
As long as the main devs of Lemmy are Dessalines and other communists, then the reputation of the Lemmy-verse being tied to a bunch of highly communist instances is just an objectively correct fact. Liberals are free to fork their own version of the software and call it something else.
Tankies, they’re tankies, there’s nothing wrong with the theory of communism. What makes a Tankie, is the support of Authoritarian regimes and turning a blind eye to genocides and many other human rights violations when committed by said regimes
And also, there’s nothing Tankie about Lemmy itself. It’s just computer code that is a Reddit-like link aggregator. It falls under separating the art from the artist. And because it’s open source, there’s no concern of financially supporting it either from its use (unless you make an explicit choice to donate)
What makes a Tankie, is the support of Authoritarian regimes and turning a blind eye to genocides and many other human rights violations when committed by said regimes
That’s exactly what liberals of Lemmy do though.
When was the last time you spoke against Zelensky’s regime, that literally turned my country into a concentration camp that people cannot leave and are kidnapped off the streets (and even fucking hospitals!) in front of their crying wives/mothers, to be sent into the meatgrinder and never be seen again?
That’s a rhetorical question, of course you never did (and those who do, including me, are paid Russian shills, tankies or just bots). Because for a liberal, it’s never “authoritarianism bad” or “Nazism bad” or “human rights violations bad” or anything like this - it’s only bad when the other side is doing it. When “the good guys” are doing it, it’s not just totally acceptable, the guy is a hero.
War surely is cruel isn’t it.
The only thing more cruel than war is liberals.
Nothing is more cruel than war
I’m kinda new to the fediverse. What did lemmy.ml do?
They helped elect trump
yes of course, trump won because of a few hundred people on a website no one’s heard of and not, yknow, the sheer racism of the average white person (the only demographic that voted in majority for trump, btw)
be serious
I mean it is true. They did help elect Trump. Before the election there were a ton of .ml accounts doing their best to get progressives to be politically apathetic. They were indistinguishable from right wing saboteurs.
How possible do you think it is that they both independently reached the same level of political disgust with the status quo for different reasons?
It’s possible. But actively pushing the narrative that there is no point in voting on on Lemmy only helped Trump win.
If people pushed the „no point in voting“ narrative in right wing forums it would be be better.
As I said people encouraging left leaning (in the American sense) potential voters to not vote is what right wing saboteurs would do.
Existing in those spaces heavily, I disagree that the push was towards not voting, the heavy criticism I saw was towards that only see political action as voting. Further, acknowledging the reality that interests of the ruling class, or palestinians, is not on a ballet.
It’s possible. But actively pushing the narrative that there is no point in voting on on Lemmy only helped Trump win.
This just seems so far from impactful. The narrow slice of people that exist on lemmy, were in the set of states that actually decide elections, and also are politically influenced by it enough to change their vote, is such a tiny number of people. Do you really find it to be a worthwhile point to attack rather than the failures of democrats to recognize and push back against the decades long project of fascism that has been built by the republicans?
